Lenovo ThinkStation P360 Ultra Melds Desktop Alder Lake and NVIDIA Professional Graphics
by Ganesh T S on June 21, 2022 4:00 AM EST- Posted in
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- Alder Lake
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Over the last decade or so, advancements in CPU and GPU architectures have combined extremely well with the relentless march of Moore's Law on the silicon front. Together, these have resulted in hand-held devices that have more computing power than huge and power-hungry machines from the turn of the century. On the desktop front, small form-factor (SFF) machines are now becoming a viable option for demanding professional use-cases. CAD, modeling, and simulation capabilities that required big iron servers or massive tower workstations just a few years back are now capable of being served by compact systems.
Workstation notebooks integrating top-end mobile CPUs and professional graphics solutions from AMD (FirePro) or NVIDIA (Quadro Mobile / RTX Professional) have been around since the early 2000s. The advent of UCFF and SFF PCs has slowly brought these notebook platforms to the desktop. Zotac was one of the early players in this market, and continues to introduce new products in the Zotac ZBOX Q Series. The company has two distinct lines - one with a notebook CPU and a professional mobile GPU (with a 2.65L volume), and another with a workstation CPU (Xeons up to 80W) and a professional mobile GPU (with a 5.85L volume).
Today, Lenovo is also entering the SFF workstation PC market with its ThinkStation P360 Ultra models. The company already has tiny workstations that do not include support for discrete GPUs, and that is fixed in the new Ultra systems. Featuring desktop Alder Lake with an Intel W680 chipset (allowing for ECC RAM option), these systems also optionally support discrete graphics cards - up to NVIDIA RTX A5000 Mobile. Four SODIMM slots allow for up to 128GB of ECC or non-ECC DDR5-4000 memory. Two PCIe Gen 4 x4 M.2 slots and a SATA III port behind a 2.5" drive slot are also available, with RAID possibility for the M.2 SSDs. Depending on the choice of CPU and GPU, Lenovo plans to equip the system with one of three 89% efficiency external power adapters - 170W, 230W, or 300W.
The front panel has a USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A and two Thunderbolt 4 Type-C ports, as well as a combo audio jack. The vanilla iGPU version has four USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A ports, three DisplayPort 1.4 ports, and two RJ-45 LAN ports (1x 2.5 GbE, and 1x 1 GbE). On the WLAN front, the non-vPro option is the Wi-Fi 6 AX201, while the vPro one is the Wi-Fi 6E AX211. In addition to the PCIe 4.0 x16 expansion slot for the discrete GPU, the system also includes support for a PCIe 3.0 x4 card such as the Intel I350-T2 dual-port Gigabit Ethernet Adapter.
With dimensions of 87mm x 223mm x 202mm, the whole package comes in at 3.92L. In order to cram the functionality into such a chassis, Lenovo has employed a custom dual-sided motherboard with a unique cooling solution, as indicated in the teardown picture above. A blower fan is placed above the two M.2 slots to ensure that thte PCIe Gen 4 M.2 SSDs can operate without any thermal issues.
As is usual for Lenovo's business / professional-oriented PCs, these systems are tested to military grade requirements and come with ISV certifications fro companies such as Autodesk, ANSYS, Dassault, PTC, Siemens, etc. Pricing starts at $1299 for the base model without a discrete GPU.
The ThinkStation P360 Ultra joins Lenovo's already-announced P360 Tiny and the P360 Tower models. The P360 Tiny doesn't support powerful discrete GPUs (capable of handling workstation workloads), while the P360 Tower goes overboard with support for 3.5" drives, and up to four PCIe expansion cards, along with a 750W PSU. Most workstation use-cases can get by without all those bells and whistles. Additional options for the end consumer are always welcome, and that is where the P360 Ultra comes into play.
Source: Lenovo
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calc76 - Tuesday, June 21, 2022 - link
"The P360 Tiny doesn't support discrete GPUs"That's interesting considering it supports the following discrete GPUs as per its psref document. And that is actually the main (only?) difference between the ThinkCentre M90q Gen 3 and ThinkStation P360 Tiny.
NVIDIA T400 - 4GB GDDR6 - 40W - 3x miniDP 1.4
NVIDIA T600 - 4GB GDDR6 - 40W - 4x miniDP 1.4
NVIDIA T1000 - 4GB GDDR6 - 50W - 4x miniDP 1.4
NVIDIA T1000 - 8GB GDDR6 - 50W - 4x miniDP 1.4
amb9800 - Wednesday, June 22, 2022 - link
Yeah, the M90q Gen 3 does seem to support dGPUs in its small rear slot- just many tiers lower than what this P360 Ultra offers (T1000 appears to be ~MX450, while A5000 is ~RTX 3080 Mobile).lemurbutton - Wednesday, June 22, 2022 - link
No chance vs Mac Studio.Einy0 - Wednesday, June 22, 2022 - link
Well, that's really cool, except most of the software this machine would be used for doesn't run on a Mac Studio anyway. Hell, even AutoCAD doesn't run natively on ARM based Macs yet. Oh, and it probably cost half as much too.timecop1818 - Wednesday, June 22, 2022 - link
lool literally nobody cares about Mac studioPeachNCream - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link
Its interesting hardware though I would argue the creative liberties taken to introduce it in the article are almost comically missing the mark in industry trends while ignoring computing history and what people have actually used to perform workstation-like workloads over the last two decades, and goes off on an unrelated tangent with Zotac (Was that paid in-article advertising? It stinks of that sort of thing because placement and mention of specific products looks awkwardly shoe-horned into the article and given Zotac's placement in the industry, it wouldn't surprise me if they were among AT's dwindling income sources.)erinadreno - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link
Dell also launched something similar recently (Precision mini 3240 something). Wonder if they were sourcing from the same ODMlogoffon - Thursday, June 23, 2022 - link
If you mean Precision 3260 Compact (and its Comet Lake predecessor 3240 Compact), it's definitely not. They're basically an OptiPlex mini with larger case and PCIe slot.fazalmajid - Wednesday, July 6, 2022 - link
This is gunning for the HP Z2 Mini G9. It's good to have choices.